TS-253a play 4k movies

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TS-253a play 4k movies

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Hi

I have a TS-253a (4Gb ram) which is connected to my tv with a hdmi cable. Normally, I am using KODI to play my media and so far everything has worked like a charm.

Now I got a 2010p movie, and as soon I start to play the movie stutters like crazy and is not watchable.
I can see from the monitor that the CPU is on 99%. However, this confuses me as I thought the TS-253a would easily play 4k movies, and even transcode them.

The movie is a 59 min and 12Gb mkv file format.

The NAS have:
14 nm Intel® Celeron® N3150/N3160 1.6 GHz quad-core processor
8th generation Intel HD Graphics

Any idea on what to do :)

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Re: TS-253a play 4k movies

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depends on the codec used...100% means no hardware decode available ..and the cpu is too slow for software decode
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Re: TS-253a play 4k movies

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Where can I see what codec is used? :)
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lubek wrote:Hi
The movie is a 59 min and 12Gb mkv file format.
H264 or HEVC ? what bit rate?

Could this be the reason? though 12gb... doesn't sound like a hevc to me. normally those are small file size from what i've seen. Like a movie highest hevc i got is probably around 3-6gb at most.
Hardware Support

As you can see, most desktop hardware released in 2015, and most mobile hardware from late 2014 onwards, supports dedicated HEVC playback. Hardware designers have been more focused on getting HEVC decoding blocks into mobile hardware first, as the CPUs in these products typically aren’t fast enough for software decoding. Support in desktop hardware has been marginally slower as most desktop-class parts are powerful enough to decode HEVC without dedicated decoding blocks.

If you have a computer or device that doesn’t include the aforementioned hardware, that doesn’t mean you won’t be able to decode HEVC. PCs, even those with entry-level CPUs from several years ago, shouldn’t have much trouble software decoding HEVC videos. One of my HTPCs equipped with a $50 Intel Celeron ‘Ivy Bridge’ CPU from 2012 is more than capable of decoding HEVC, and I’ve even achieved smooth playback on Intel Bay Trail and Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 devices in some circumstances (albeit at high CPU utilization).
https://www.techspot.com/article/1131-h ... -playback/

lubek wrote:Where can I see what codec is used? :)
Normally i browse from windows 10 smb share to qnap then open the video with MPC-HC then right click view media info

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Re: TS-253a play 4k movies

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SOURCE: UHD BluRay
FORMAT: MKV
CODEC: x265 HEVC
RESOLUTION: 3840x2160
OVERALL BITRATE: 40.00 Mbps

I think :)
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lubek wrote:SOURCE: UHD BluRay
FORMAT: MKV
CODEC: x265 HEVC
RESOLUTION: 3840x2160
OVERALL BITRATE: 40.00 Mbps

I think :)
ok .... personally i never deal with hevc with that big a bit rate :shock: for me the only reason i went HEVC is so i can replace 8-12gb movies for a more reasonable 2-4gb using lower bit rate without too noticeable a quality drop. I can store much more without having to expand storage capacity. But even then i do not re-encode another encode. Direct bd rip only :)

But yeah... i don't think thats gonna work. At least when i tested for my ts-653a it didn't :? but i was using DLNA wireless to kodi. Your using HDMI direct.
lubek wrote:However, this confuses me as I thought the TS-253a would easily play 4k movies, and even transcode them.
Okay this i most definitely know. The transcoding won't work well, the cpu is not strong enough (it can if your careful with what bit rate you use, and you avoid HEVC). Even under plex guideline.
The Guideline
Very roughly speaking, for a single full-transcode of a video, the following PassMark scores are a good guideline for a requirement:
1080p/10Mbps: 2000 PassMark
720p/4Mbps: 1500 PassMark
The CPU Benchmark website is a good resource to see what sort of PassMark score a particular processor received.
Related Page: CPUbenchmark.net
https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201774043

transcoding list
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... w?sle=true


Intel Celeron N3160 @ 1.60GHz = 1701 passmark
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cp ... 40+1.60GHz


The new amd ryzen nas model is out end of this month, you should check it out.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-N3160-vs- ... %A2-5-1400
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Re: TS-253a play 4k movies

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Yeah okay, I wanted it in the best quality possible :) But it is simply to large for the NAS to play ;)
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lubek wrote:Yeah okay, I wanted it in the best quality possible :) But it is simply to large for the NAS to play ;)
transcoding aside, if you play kodi via hdmi then..
HVEC/H.265 is a video compression ... completely unrelated to the HDMI bandwidth available ... permitting "reasonable" bitrates for 4K.
viewtopic.php?t=119715

schumaku wrote:
takfujiwara wrote:I have high quality digital movie files (as close to Blu-ray quality as I can get, mkv files, etc) that I would like to stream to my Sony HD Smart TV (via my AV Receiver).

Some tech misunderstandings - this is not streaming. This is just playback.The HDMI does carry video and audio to be displayed resp. decoded - no more or less (depends on generation) "Smart" TV required - the receiver is dealing with D/A of PCM audio, decoding the Dolby and DTS digital audio streams, the TV does display.

FullHD and H.264 hardware acceleration only The TS-x53A series HDMI output can deal with 4K2K @ 30 Hz, and H.264 hardware acceleration only (AFAIK H.265 is avilabe on the N3150 GPU, but it is not implemented as of writing).

viewtopic.php?t=120286
simply put, did you exceed the reasonable bit rate? i haven't seen much reviews from other users testing this high a bit rate before on kodi hdmi especially with HEVC :)
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[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

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Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


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